If anyone out there is dating or in a relationship with someone from a very different cultural background you must see the movie Ae Fond Kiss (2004). Even more specifically, if you are a Westerner dating someone who is Pakistani, Muslim, or Indian (like me) or vice versa this movie has much to offer in the way of inter-cultural dialogue, the tensions, and the challenges that can arise from forging a relationship within such a context.
The story opens featuring Casim(C), a devout, mid-twenty something, Pakistani with dreams of being a professional, club owning deejay. He ends up falling for a blonde, white, Irish music teacher Roisin(R). The stage is set in London where racial tension between Pakistanis and whites can be high. Despite this, the story unfolds in a deeply personal way making one question if the chance at romantic love is always worth it for those bound to Islamic, Pakistani, or even Indian cultures.
C is close with his family and respects many of the Islamic traditions he was brought up with. However, when it comes his personal life, he’s not so certain about following through with the arranged marriage orchestrated by his mother. When he meets R and learns about notions of personal happiness, taking chances, seeing that “twinkle of love” in a partner’s eyes, and responsibility to one’s own heart, he decides he must break off the arranged engagement.
In an incredibly moving scene, C tells his mother the engagement is off and she explains how his actions will shame the family, ostracise them in their closely knit community, and make it much more difficult for her other daughters to marry. The beauty of the scene lies in how practical and relevant the mothers concerns actually are. The script avoids painting her as selfish, obstinate, or irrational–which is easy to do through a Western lens. When the mother asks, “What will I do now C?” it was easy even for a Westerner like me to empathize with her concerns.
Though torn between fulfilling family obligations and following though with responsibilities in his own heart, C maintains his stance on the broken engagement. Several poignant scenes illustrate how difficult this was to actually do. However, R never seemed to really understand or attempt to imagine what being in his shoes must be like. While she urges him to follow his heart she never fully commits to him. She suggests she’s not sure if they will be together forever, jokes about almost screwing another man, and makes sort of cheeky promises that are hard to take seriously. When R’s father stresses that his family will always be for him and to be careful of flaky promises given by non-Muslim girls, R’s stance makes it hard not to fairly consider his warning.
At many points, R does ask questions about C’s family and hopes they will give her a chance in getting to know her. However, as C continues to struggle with his family’s reactions to him living with R and still refusing the engagement, R gets fed up and spouts off all sorts of rash judgements towards his family. C tells R that his father may be many things but he is not mean-spirited or a bigot. C gives examples of the violence and persecution he has experienced from whites as a Pakistani and tries to explain the sources of his father’s desire for him to be with a Muslim girl. R can’t find it in herself to believe and attempt to understand him and continues to blow up at what she writes off as his family’s ignorance, outright rudeness, and racism directed towards whites.
C’s father definitely had his hot-headed moments and demonstrated manipulative actions which clouded his deep caring towards his family. However, in his own way, his undoubted love for his family remains consistent throughout the movie.
When C asks R if she would ever consider being a Muslim, she says no flat out no. She is unwilling to bend from her sort of Western stances in many ways. This is fine, but R compromises in more than a few instances and most significantly rejects his family to live and be with her. I have no doubt it was hard for R to understand his vastly different worldview and even his actions, but considering the level of commitment and compromise she was willing to give in exchange for his actions, it was hard for me to sympathize with her.
In the end, C decides to continue taking a chance on being with R. I suppose taking this chance is what most Westerns do with relative ease. However, and one might argue unfortunately, in R’s case the stakes were much higher. He alienated his entire family and burned bridges that might not ever be repaired. Given R’s predisposition to judging his family and unwillingness to compromise, one really questions whether or not C made the right choice in totally renouncing his family ties.
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This is an example of two more traditional/conservative (T/C) sides clashing. In this case, C was more liberal/open-minded (L/OM) in trying to make things work than R. As demonstrated in my previous Milano Love posts, tension and strife is bound to happen when you have one or more unyielding T/C sides of the interracial/inter-cultural coin…
Thoughts?
March 14, 2008 at 3:48 am
This kind of makes me sad. I hope that if CS and I stay together, that this isn’t what he’ll be forced into doing. It makes me wonder if I’m being cruel with being with him..but then again, he made that choice as well. His younger sister is already married I believe, but I am unsure of the whole family thing. He has a niece and nephew..but explain something about his mother’s sisters kids are considered siblings, along with his father’s brothers kids..but not vice versa. I dunno. I am still going to try to find the movie though.
March 14, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Well, I wouldn’t fret just yet. Ae Fond Kiss was just ONE representation of a way things could go. I think Hindu culture/religion versus Islamic culture is a lot easier for Westerners like us to bust into as well. See it’s all very much individual… you seem much, MUCH more willing to commit than R was in the movie. If C would have had that undying promise of commitment from R I think he would have been more justified in abandoning his family. Even then…it was such a stretch.
I don’t know…to me…I just think that Westerners who are really stuck in their own independent, traditional/conservative ways are going to have an extremely difficult time understanding and bending towards collectivist cultures found amongst Indians/Pakistanis.
Ara, you seem more open to me though…I think you would find parts of Hindu/Indian culture rather fascinating (like me). I’m not saying this is better than being a Western T/C…just much, much easier for the long haul.
Make sense?
I think you need to sit that CS down and show him you’re boss
. In my experience, Indian guys tend to like that. Just say…look let’s try this, you and me. For real. Enough hemming and hawing! I swear if you tell him you’re going to give others an opportunity (i.e. date) he’ll probably go nuts and figure stuff out because he won’t want to lose you…
I’m telling ya!!
March 14, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Well, it’s kinda funny you say that. Last Friday, when we were hanging out, this guy that I do NOT like called me. I met him the same time I met CS. Granted I met both of them through Facebook, but I had SEEN CS before at school/grocery store. This other guy turned out to be scary. The first time, he wanted to hang out in public…after that NEVER in public..plus he lied a LOT. Everytime he called, he’d changed his story..people like that are hiding worse things in my opinion.
But back to CS, I wouldn’t answer the phone, and he’s like who was it..so I had to explain. He didn’t really say anything, but later that day, he asked me about it. I guess it got to eating at him. I explained all this. He made the comment maybe the guy liked me, I was like..um, I think he does, but when a guy lies like that..it sends off warning bells in girls heads, and we will NOT call you back if you do that. I said, besides, I don’t know if he is a mass-murderer or what. CS was like..well you didn’t know me either, and I was like, yeah, but you don’t lie constantly to me either, and I feel like I know you now. He thought that was funny, but not impressed by this other guy. Besides, the other guy was too old for me, I didn’t know he was 41 !!! I am only 28, 27 at the time we met. Plus, everything I talk about is always wrong, and he always tries to tell me what to do..we weren’t even dating..HELLO! CS agreed that it wasn’t cool to do that if you’ve just first met someone..maybe after being married a couple of years, but not on the first date LOL.
So, now he knows, that there are others interested in me. I think it really did worry him, esp with me getting ready to take the pharmacy admissions exam. I would have to leave here, and he is VERY worried about that.
NK, I just don’t want to push him. I know that sounds nuts, but the other day, he told me for the first time that he actually trusts me. His last girl cheated on him, that actually meant the world for me to hear him tell me that he trusts me. We’ll see though..maybe a little extra push wouldn’t hurt.
March 14, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hummm, interesting. I’m not saying you have to push… no don’t do that. But, you can RESPOND to his kind of non-chalantness in a way that is protective of your feelings and such.
You know, some Indian boys get this “my feelings are more precious than yours” thing sometimes—R really had some of that. He was allll afraid I was going to hurt him and stuff. But, remember YOU are putting YOUR feelings out there too. CS needs to earn YOUR trust too–do not underestimate your needs for these things, I’m serious!!
March 15, 2008 at 4:23 am
Thanks NK, I will keep that in mind. You’re right. Looks like 6mile finally responded on his site. He was just busy before spring break..and is finally back LOL
March 15, 2008 at 4:37 am
Here I am,
, live an kicking.
I have the movie with me, I saw the first half of the movie and stopped short, I dint feel like seeing the climax. I think It portrays the Indian/Asian side of family relationships, spot on. Indian Families, play the emotional trump card , to get kids back inline. I fail to see why people cant have the best of both worlds.
ara, are you and CS going to Mexico for spring break
March 15, 2008 at 6:03 am
LOL, I wish!
March 16, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Oh good gang, glad you are all still around. I have got to round a loop with my master’s project this week…might not be on much!
March 18, 2008 at 3:04 pm
NK, I’m so glad you did on post on this movie! I got a chance to see it and had some similar reactions to your own. One of the parts of the movie that really hit me was C’s sister. I think in Western culture we get sort of accustomed to thinking our personal choices really only impact us – but C’s decision to end his engagement had a huge impact on her future and her ability to marry the man she wanted. I could sense her hopelessness in trying to get R to understand the consequences of her relationship with her brother beyond the realm of just the two of them.
At the same time, there were points where I did empathize with R. For example, I thought it was cruel of C to get involved with her in the first place when he was committed to another person, even though I understand that he did not mean to hurt her and was in a sticky situation. It would upset me a lot to be deceived like that, and I think it would have been better for both if he’d been upfront from the start.
While I’ve known to be a hopeless romantic, my gut reaction to this relationship is that the couple shouldn’t have gone forward – the stakes were too high and potential for disaster is too much. R had a previous failed marriage and doesn’t necessarily seem as committed to C as I would want for him to go to such dramatic efforts to remain with her. I think the movie was trying to end on a hopeful note, but I was left feeling very sad.
March 18, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Yes, CT you are absolutely right that C should have been up-front about his engagement. One thing I thought of was that the engagement probably didn’t feel very real to him…so he sort of let it slide in his mind. He really shouldn’t have!
My favorite character was actualyl Tahara. I love that she rebelled and made the decision to go to the University of her choice. I think I have the most hope for her in the movie…
March 18, 2008 at 7:57 pm
We had a manager named Tahirh.. pronounced Tahara.. it’s such an unusual name.. esp since she was white… hehe
April 14, 2008 at 2:07 am
I just finished watching this movie it left me with mixed feelings. I’m dating an Indian and I love him soo much. But at the same time I couldn’t live with myself if he had to give up his family. I know this is just one story (a movie, hehe and is if all movies are realistic), so I know things with Indian parents can work out more easily. I hope things will be easier for me and my boy though.. Only time will tell.
I did love that they decided to give it a try in the end.
April 14, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Hey PD thanks for coming over here! I felt the same way for a long, long time about R’s family. I struggled a lot feeling guilty that by dating me he was somehow alienating his family. As we have progressed I know that R will never leave his family, but it is their choice if they want to accept his wishes (i.e. being with me). It’s going to take a very long time for his mom to come to terms with…but I’ve accepted that as her issue, not mine.